Artist Joan Tanner joins acclaimed poet and art critic, John Yau, Professor of Critical Studies at Rutgers University, for a conversation. Tanner is currently the subject of a solo SBMA exhibition, Out of Joint: Joan Tanner (through May 14). Yau has edited the Brooklyn Rail and Hyperallergic Weekend, and has authored some 50 books of poetry. Having been a voice in the art world since 1975 when he began writing art criticism, he is among the most well-known critics of contemporary art writing today. Yau and Tanner reflect on how to stay out of joint, that is how to avoid cliché and stilted ways of writing and artmaking.